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		By: Kevin Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2016 02:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2016/the-cup-is-the-y-intercept/#comment-2422361&quot;&gt;Kevin Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

I have implemented the conceptual progression, from easy proportional situations to harder ones, here: https://ijkijkevin.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/teaching-linear-functions-for-meaning/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2016/the-cup-is-the-y-intercept/#comment-2422361">Kevin Hall</a>.</p>
<p>I have implemented the conceptual progression, from easy proportional situations to harder ones, here: <a href="https://ijkijkevin.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/teaching-linear-functions-for-meaning/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ijkijkevin.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/teaching-linear-functions-for-meaning/</a></p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep. Pretty sure that&#039;s the author&#039;s intent. Mix up the non-stop proportionality with some un-proportional relationships.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Pretty sure that&#8217;s the author&#8217;s intent. Mix up the non-stop proportionality with some un-proportional relationships.</p>
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		By: Heresolong		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heresolong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In re your eggs problem.  The correct answer would, of course, be that it still takes 3 minutes because you just put five eggs in the pot instead of one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re your eggs problem.  The correct answer would, of course, be that it still takes 3 minutes because you just put five eggs in the pot instead of one.</p>
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		By: Kevin Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more thought: I didn&#039;t realize until this year that there are 2 levels of difficulty in identifying non-proportional situations.  In easier situations, the y-intercept object (e.g., the glass jar) is visibly different from the slope object (e.g., the marble).  They are clearly objects of different types, and even when lots of marbles have accumulated, it&#039;s always easy to visually separate them from the jar.

In harder situations, the y-intercept and the slope are not objects of different types.  For example, suppose a puppy weighs 3 lbs when it is born and then gains 1 lb per week.  The 3 lbs of birth-weight and the pound-per-week of gained weight are not visually distinguishable.  They mix together.  You can&#039;t look at a picture of a 5-week old puppy and point to the 3 lbs that were there at birth.  Similarly, when you turn on an oven and let it heat up to 400 degrees, you can&#039;t point to the 71 degrees that were there from ambient temperature before you turned the oven on.

Harder non-proportional situations can&#039;t really be understood by students until they really get that the y-intercept represents the amount when time = 0.  Or, more simply, until they get that in Algebra we always decompose a single quantity into its original value plus its added value, even though that may feel like an unnatural thing to do.  

As a result, you can teach identifying simpler non-proportional situations in your first introduction to linear functions (e.g., Stacking Cups or Domino Effect).  But you can&#039;t graduate to identifying harder ones until you&#039;ve talked about graphing stories and really nailed the idea that the y-intercept is the (temporal) starting value.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought: I didn&#8217;t realize until this year that there are 2 levels of difficulty in identifying non-proportional situations.  In easier situations, the y-intercept object (e.g., the glass jar) is visibly different from the slope object (e.g., the marble).  They are clearly objects of different types, and even when lots of marbles have accumulated, it&#8217;s always easy to visually separate them from the jar.</p>
<p>In harder situations, the y-intercept and the slope are not objects of different types.  For example, suppose a puppy weighs 3 lbs when it is born and then gains 1 lb per week.  The 3 lbs of birth-weight and the pound-per-week of gained weight are not visually distinguishable.  They mix together.  You can&#8217;t look at a picture of a 5-week old puppy and point to the 3 lbs that were there at birth.  Similarly, when you turn on an oven and let it heat up to 400 degrees, you can&#8217;t point to the 71 degrees that were there from ambient temperature before you turned the oven on.</p>
<p>Harder non-proportional situations can&#8217;t really be understood by students until they really get that the y-intercept represents the amount when time = 0.  Or, more simply, until they get that in Algebra we always decompose a single quantity into its original value plus its added value, even though that may feel like an unnatural thing to do.  </p>
<p>As a result, you can teach identifying simpler non-proportional situations in your first introduction to linear functions (e.g., Stacking Cups or Domino Effect).  But you can&#8217;t graduate to identifying harder ones until you&#8217;ve talked about graphing stories and really nailed the idea that the y-intercept is the (temporal) starting value.</p>
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		By: Karim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Kate: I think you&#039;re putting your finger on an important issue. If students graph weight vs. marbles, it could be a nice opportunity for a teacher to ask whether it should be a solid line, a dashed line, a series of dots, etc. This may preserve the mathematical understanding that you want to elicit, and in a very explicit way. (It&#039;s been a while since we wrote Domino, but I suspect we probably had a similar convo about half-toppings.)

Watched your milk video. Nice. What if you shot it from the top (so that you saw the weight but only a 2D circle of milk) so that students had to predict number of cups based on weight? Seems like we usually change x and predict y but rarely vice-versa. If this doesn&#039;t muddle too much the independent/dependent relationship, maybe this could be a cool alternate angle...pardon the pun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kate: I think you&#8217;re putting your finger on an important issue. If students graph weight vs. marbles, it could be a nice opportunity for a teacher to ask whether it should be a solid line, a dashed line, a series of dots, etc. This may preserve the mathematical understanding that you want to elicit, and in a very explicit way. (It&#8217;s been a while since we wrote Domino, but I suspect we probably had a similar convo about half-toppings.)</p>
<p>Watched your milk video. Nice. What if you shot it from the top (so that you saw the weight but only a 2D circle of milk) so that students had to predict number of cups based on weight? Seems like we usually change x and predict y but rarely vice-versa. If this doesn&#8217;t muddle too much the independent/dependent relationship, maybe this could be a cool alternate angle&#8230;pardon the pun.</p>
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		By: Kate Nowak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Nowak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My bad. I think I messed up sharing settings. I don&#039;t think discrete vs continuous is a huge deal. And since this is an intro type thing, discrete may indeed be preferable. Students should get plenty of experience modeling all types of quantities. https://goo.gl/photos/Gb8had3ijmfzQb7V7]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. I think I messed up sharing settings. I don&#8217;t think discrete vs continuous is a huge deal. And since this is an intro type thing, discrete may indeed be preferable. Students should get plenty of experience modeling all types of quantities. <a href="https://goo.gl/photos/Gb8had3ijmfzQb7V7" rel="nofollow ugc">https://goo.gl/photos/Gb8had3ijmfzQb7V7</a></p>
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		By: Karim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2016 18:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree with Kate about having the scale be ever-visible; though perhaps unintentional, the shift in focus feels like a bit of a sleight of hand which may obscure exactly the &quot;aha&quot; moment the task is trying to inspire. 

Disagree, though, about changing it to be continuous. If the activity serves as the &lt;em&gt;turn&lt;/em&gt; from proportional relationships to linear functions, it seems reasonable to keep things easily countable. I wasn&#039;t able to access Kate&#039;s video, but I assume cumin is measured in something like tablespoons. Students may find a slope of &quot;y grams per x tablespoons&quot; a bit confusing. Not only is the weight-weight thing a bit tough, but I&#039;d worry that -- especially if the video shows someone scooping cumin into a glass -- they might just treat the spoon as a discrete object...which would be problematic unless the scooping was extraordinarily precise. Marbles are easy to count, and lend themselves to a pretty intuitive &quot;grams per marble&quot; discussion.

Oh, and I agree with Hunter. Of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Kate about having the scale be ever-visible; though perhaps unintentional, the shift in focus feels like a bit of a sleight of hand which may obscure exactly the &#8220;aha&#8221; moment the task is trying to inspire. </p>
<p>Disagree, though, about changing it to be continuous. If the activity serves as the <em>turn</em> from proportional relationships to linear functions, it seems reasonable to keep things easily countable. I wasn&#8217;t able to access Kate&#8217;s video, but I assume cumin is measured in something like tablespoons. Students may find a slope of &#8220;y grams per x tablespoons&#8221; a bit confusing. Not only is the weight-weight thing a bit tough, but I&#8217;d worry that &#8212; especially if the video shows someone scooping cumin into a glass &#8212; they might just treat the spoon as a discrete object&#8230;which would be problematic unless the scooping was extraordinarily precise. Marbles are easy to count, and lend themselves to a pretty intuitive &#8220;grams per marble&#8221; discussion.</p>
<p>Oh, and I agree with Hunter. Of course.</p>
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		By: Kevin Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2016 19:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan, thank you for making this.  I&#039;ll definitely use it next year.  (And perhaps yours, too, Kate).  Also grateful for the recognition, and for the chance collaborate with you.  Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, thank you for making this.  I&#8217;ll definitely use it next year.  (And perhaps yours, too, Kate).  Also grateful for the recognition, and for the chance collaborate with you.  Cheers!</p>
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		By: Jessica Breur		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica Breur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate and Dan - I think both videos would work well together. You could take the kids to discussing, what would be similar and what would be different about the graphs.  This could highlight the discrete vs. continuous domain and range.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate and Dan &#8211; I think both videos would work well together. You could take the kids to discussing, what would be similar and what would be different about the graphs.  This could highlight the discrete vs. continuous domain and range.</p>
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		By: naw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 02:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there a purpose to showing this instead of kids doing it?
I think the question misleads the action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a purpose to showing this instead of kids doing it?<br />
I think the question misleads the action.</p>
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