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		By: GMD Rewind / Global Math Department		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2017 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] up is an article on the lawnmower and pool border problems. Each of these problems illustrates Desmos’s design principle to “create an intellectual need [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] up is an article on the lawnmower and pool border problems. Each of these problems illustrates Desmos’s design principle to “create an intellectual need [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2433428&quot;&gt;Alison Gilbert&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your question, Alison. In that problem, the &lt;em&gt;pool&lt;/em&gt; is 3x3. The tiles that surround the pool are 5x5. Does that make sense?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2433428">Alison Gilbert</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your question, Alison. In that problem, the <em>pool</em> is 3&#215;3. The tiles that surround the pool are 5&#215;5. Does that make sense?</p>
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		By: Alison Gilbert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 04:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dan! I just needed to point out here that there is an error in the Desmos student application... the first problem of a 3 x 3 pool seems to be depicted by a 5 X 5 grid.... hopefully we can get that fixed because I really want to use the tutorial in my class! Thank you for all that you do, Alison]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan! I just needed to point out here that there is an error in the Desmos student application&#8230; the first problem of a 3 x 3 pool seems to be depicted by a 5 X 5 grid&#8230;. hopefully we can get that fixed because I really want to use the tutorial in my class! Thank you for all that you do, Alison</p>
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		By: Diigo Links (weekly) &#124; Mr. Gonzalez&#039;s Classroom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] [Desmos Design] Algebra Is Power, Not Punishment — dy/dan [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] [Desmos Design] Algebra Is Power, Not Punishment — dy/dan [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Joshua		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 06:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432157&quot;&gt;Dan Meyer&lt;/a&gt;.

For estimate #3, they had trouble getting the size of the pole within the tolerance using the bar. To be honest, I think this is a feature of the activity, as long as the teacher/guide knows to push through. This experience underscored the value of using numbers to specify measurements and expressions for calculating those values.

If you felt a need to address this specific issue, one alternative would be to provide an input box where the students could type in a numerical value for the radius of the pole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432157">Dan Meyer</a>.</p>
<p>For estimate #3, they had trouble getting the size of the pole within the tolerance using the bar. To be honest, I think this is a feature of the activity, as long as the teacher/guide knows to push through. This experience underscored the value of using numbers to specify measurements and expressions for calculating those values.</p>
<p>If you felt a need to address this specific issue, one alternative would be to provide an input box where the students could type in a numerical value for the radius of the pole.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the feedback, Joshua.

&lt;blockquote&gt; Third, it was very hard to use the scrollbar to get the right diameter for the pole. This was frustrating, almost enough to put them off the activity. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can you expand on this? What were they frustrated about? What do you think would help?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, Joshua.</p>
<blockquote><p> Third, it was very hard to use the scrollbar to get the right diameter for the pole. This was frustrating, almost enough to put them off the activity. </p></blockquote>
<p>Can you expand on this? What were they frustrated about? What do you think would help?</p>
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		By: Joshua		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I tested the lawnmower math activity with 2 kids (7yo and 9yo), so this is just anecdotal, but the activity did a great job accomplishing the objective of creating a need for an expression.

I&#039;d note that these are urban kids with almost no experience of lawnmowing. While that context didn&#039;t connect with their personal experience, the video introduction made sense to them why someone might use this mowing strategy and why missed patches would be a problem. They were less clear why it would matter if the loops overlapped, but that was easy to address with wasted fuel.

Second, the animations are compelling. This was really the key hook that interested them in the activity.

Third, it was very hard to use the scrollbar to get the right diameter for the pole. This was frustrating, almost enough to put them off the activity. When they got the chance to enter an expression, it was a relief. When they got to see the animation apply their expression several times, it was a delight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tested the lawnmower math activity with 2 kids (7yo and 9yo), so this is just anecdotal, but the activity did a great job accomplishing the objective of creating a need for an expression.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d note that these are urban kids with almost no experience of lawnmowing. While that context didn&#8217;t connect with their personal experience, the video introduction made sense to them why someone might use this mowing strategy and why missed patches would be a problem. They were less clear why it would matter if the loops overlapped, but that was easy to address with wasted fuel.</p>
<p>Second, the animations are compelling. This was really the key hook that interested them in the activity.</p>
<p>Third, it was very hard to use the scrollbar to get the right diameter for the pole. This was frustrating, almost enough to put them off the activity. When they got the chance to enter an expression, it was a relief. When they got to see the animation apply their expression several times, it was a delight.</p>
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		By: Bryan Penfound		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2017 04:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432007&quot;&gt;Joe v&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the power of these examples is less about the applicability to a life situation, and more about allowing students to create something meaningful from mathematics. That is I want to say it is more about the ability for students to guide mathematics rather than the mathematics guiding them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432007">Joe v</a>.</p>
<p>I think the power of these examples is less about the applicability to a life situation, and more about allowing students to create something meaningful from mathematics. That is I want to say it is more about the ability for students to guide mathematics rather than the mathematics guiding them.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Meyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2017 00:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432007&quot;&gt;Joe v&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Joe, thanks for the comment. I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t understand how a goat on a rope is more (or less) real than a lawnmower on a pin. Maybe it would help you to know that &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCQkosIa2k&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;people actually &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; this to mow their lawns&lt;/a&gt;.

Me, I don&#039;t find &quot;real&quot; to be precise enough of a term to be a useful critique in these situations. &lt;a href=&quot;https://vimeo.com/163821742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My view&lt;/a&gt; is that &quot;real&quot; is a matter of what students do with a context in their minds as much as where that context exists in the physical world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-design-algebra-is-power-not-punishment/#comment-2432007">Joe v</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Joe, thanks for the comment. I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t understand how a goat on a rope is more (or less) real than a lawnmower on a pin. Maybe it would help you to know that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCQkosIa2k" rel="nofollow">people actually <em>do</em> this to mow their lawns</a>.</p>
<p>Me, I don&#8217;t find &#8220;real&#8221; to be precise enough of a term to be a useful critique in these situations. <a href="https://vimeo.com/163821742" rel="nofollow">My view</a> is that &#8220;real&#8221; is a matter of what students do with a context in their minds as much as where that context exists in the physical world.</p>
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		By: Joe v		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 15:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am confused a bit as to the lawnmower question. Power implies purpose... there is no real purpose to the example. It seems to be a variation of the goat on a rope problem, which is more real. I wonder if we do not have real problems, how will we find power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused a bit as to the lawnmower question. Power implies purpose&#8230; there is no real purpose to the example. It seems to be a variation of the goat on a rope problem, which is more real. I wonder if we do not have real problems, how will we find power.</p>
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