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		By: Will		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2017 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434290&quot;&gt;Dave J&lt;/a&gt;.

Honestly its pretty easy buy a cheap smartphone and install desmos into it then disable wifi in that smartphone my guess it would be $50.00 for a cheap smart phone at least its cheaper than the ti-84
There may be more to it. Feel free to add to my idea]]></description>
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<p>Honestly its pretty easy buy a cheap smartphone and install desmos into it then disable wifi in that smartphone my guess it would be $50.00 for a cheap smart phone at least its cheaper than the ti-84<br />
There may be more to it. Feel free to add to my idea</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434295&quot;&gt;Kaitlynn&lt;/a&gt;.

Kaitlynn, how did they use it on the state test?  Did they bring their own iPad/Chromebook?]]></description>
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<p>Kaitlynn, how did they use it on the state test?  Did they bring their own iPad/Chromebook?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2017 00:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2436645&quot;&gt;John Beach&lt;/a&gt;.

We&#039;re happy to support your work, John. If you ever need any help with our calculator or have any feature requests, don&#039;t hesitate to &lt;a href=&quot;/contact/&quot;&gt;drop me a line&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2436645">John Beach</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re happy to support your work, John. If you ever need any help with our calculator or have any feature requests, don&#8217;t hesitate to <a href="/contact/">drop me a line</a>.</p>
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		By: John Beach		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After 39 years as an engineer, I became a high school math teacher.  I&#039;ve never seen an engineer use a TI graphing calculator.   A spreadsheet does the job so much better.  I bought a TI-89 Titanium a year ago and taught Pre-Calculus and Calculus for 1 year.  The TI-89 was difficult to learn and over-complicated.  Desmos was faster, colorful and easier to read.  I encouraged the students to use Desmos or any similar app.  The TI-89 is most useful as a paperweight or museum piece.  Hopefully, the test authorities will dump the old slow graphing calculators soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 39 years as an engineer, I became a high school math teacher.  I&#8217;ve never seen an engineer use a TI graphing calculator.   A spreadsheet does the job so much better.  I bought a TI-89 Titanium a year ago and taught Pre-Calculus and Calculus for 1 year.  The TI-89 was difficult to learn and over-complicated.  Desmos was faster, colorful and easier to read.  I encouraged the students to use Desmos or any similar app.  The TI-89 is most useful as a paperweight or museum piece.  Hopefully, the test authorities will dump the old slow graphing calculators soon.</p>
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		By: Stacey Lincoln		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacey Lincoln]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2017 20:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434295&quot;&gt;Kaitlynn&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Kaitlynn!
My I ask how you lock down the iPad and Chromebooks on test day?  This year our students acquired laptops throughout the district and I&#039;m trying to figure out how to lock down Desmos for security during tests being that my department is also wanting that security.  Please share Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434295">Kaitlynn</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Kaitlynn!<br />
My I ask how you lock down the iPad and Chromebooks on test day?  This year our students acquired laptops throughout the district and I&#8217;m trying to figure out how to lock down Desmos for security during tests being that my department is also wanting that security.  Please share Thanks!</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2017 06:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434276&quot;&gt;Eric Newman&lt;/a&gt;.

Honesty is number one students should learn. Cheating is at last hurt themselves. Trust them. If they don&#039;t understand,any tools won&#039;t help anyway]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434276">Eric Newman</a>.</p>
<p>Honesty is number one students should learn. Cheating is at last hurt themselves. Trust them. If they don&#8217;t understand,any tools won&#8217;t help anyway</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 16:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434478&quot;&gt;Michelle Rinehart&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think your second question (re: parents and teachers continuing to purchase and leverage TI products) doesn&#039;t address the full issue in that it suggests that the only &quot;benefits&quot; to using these tools are more security and fewer distractions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t suggest those benefits, though. Peter Balyta did. That&#039;s all I&#039;m responding to here. TI&#039;s many proponents may have &lt;em&gt;wished&lt;/em&gt; he talked about geometry or stats support or other areas where TI has a clear feature advantage over Desmos (for now) but that wasn&#039;t his argument.

Since this post, Balyta wrote &lt;a href=&quot;https://education.ti.com/en/success-story/why-graphing-calculators-add-up&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a longer piece expanding on the case for hardware graphing calculators&lt;/a&gt;. It makes a brief argument about features that TI calculators have that Desmos doesn&#039;t currently. But, again, notice how little attention he gives those features.

His primary argument is that internet-connected devices are a &lt;em&gt;liability&lt;/em&gt; in the classroom - both for reasons of distraction and security. (Look at the quote Balyta pulls out of the article from Jennifer Mueller.)

All I am saying here, again, is that I think this is a very interesting argument for an edtech company to make, especially in 2017, and I&#039;m curious whether or not it is sustainable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2017/desmos-now-embedded-in-year-end-assessments-across-the-united-states/#comment-2434478">Michelle Rinehart</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>I think your second question (re: parents and teachers continuing to purchase and leverage TI products) doesn&#8217;t address the full issue in that it suggests that the only &#8220;benefits&#8221; to using these tools are more security and fewer distractions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t suggest those benefits, though. Peter Balyta did. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m responding to here. TI&#8217;s many proponents may have <em>wished</em> he talked about geometry or stats support or other areas where TI has a clear feature advantage over Desmos (for now) but that wasn&#8217;t his argument.</p>
<p>Since this post, Balyta wrote <a href="https://education.ti.com/en/success-story/why-graphing-calculators-add-up" rel="nofollow">a longer piece expanding on the case for hardware graphing calculators</a>. It makes a brief argument about features that TI calculators have that Desmos doesn&#8217;t currently. But, again, notice how little attention he gives those features.</p>
<p>His primary argument is that internet-connected devices are a <em>liability</em> in the classroom &#8211; both for reasons of distraction and security. (Look at the quote Balyta pulls out of the article from Jennifer Mueller.)</p>
<p>All I am saying here, again, is that I think this is a very interesting argument for an edtech company to make, especially in 2017, and I&#8217;m curious whether or not it is sustainable.</p>
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		By: Michelle Rinehart		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2017 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the thoughtful response, Dan! 

I think your second question (re: parents and teachers continuing to purchase and leverage TI products) doesn&#039;t address the full issue in that it suggests that the only &quot;benefits&quot; to using these tools are more security and fewer distractions.

I agree with parts of this statement from your post: &quot;When students take their year-end assessment in 15 states, they’ll see the same free calculator they’ve been using at school and at home the rest of the year. That assessment will more closely reflect what they know, rather than what they were able to express through unfamiliar or costly technology.&quot;

This resonated with me -- but through the lens of the TI products that many/most of our students are currently using in the classroom. For example, this statement could have read: &quot;When students take their year-end assessment in __ states [not sure of the number here, but maybe 50?], they’ll see the same ___ calculator they’ve been using at school and at home the rest of the year. That assessment will more closely reflect what they know, rather than what they were able to express through unfamiliar ___ technology.&quot; [I deleted the word &quot;free&quot; and &quot;costly&quot; -- using TI calculators and using Desmos both have costs. The costs associated with laptops/Chromebooks and WiFi are not trivial for many of the schools I work with.]

My point is that many students already DO take these assessments with the technology that they have been using and learning with all year -- both TI-84s and TI-Nspires -- not a &quot;foreign&quot; piece of technology that they are having to learn &quot;for the test.&quot; One reason for this continued integration of TI technology may well be the full suite of mathematical options these devices bring to the math classroom. They provide a &quot;one-stop shop&quot; for so many different areas of mathematical and statistical inquiry -- dynamic graphing, dynamic geometry, statistical analysis, programming, data collection, etc. -- all in one device. This full suite of inquiry tools is one reason why these devices are so powerful and so useful at the classroom level -- and since teachers and students are learning with these devices all year, it follows that they are an &quot;aligned&quot; tool for testing with, as well.

I think my big idea here is to suggest that many teachers / schools are not buying TI products solely (or mainly?) for &quot;more test security and fewer distractions&quot; -- but because of the powerful role these tools play in supporting inquiry and learning in the mathematics classroom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughtful response, Dan! </p>
<p>I think your second question (re: parents and teachers continuing to purchase and leverage TI products) doesn&#8217;t address the full issue in that it suggests that the only &#8220;benefits&#8221; to using these tools are more security and fewer distractions.</p>
<p>I agree with parts of this statement from your post: &#8220;When students take their year-end assessment in 15 states, they’ll see the same free calculator they’ve been using at school and at home the rest of the year. That assessment will more closely reflect what they know, rather than what they were able to express through unfamiliar or costly technology.&#8221;</p>
<p>This resonated with me &#8212; but through the lens of the TI products that many/most of our students are currently using in the classroom. For example, this statement could have read: &#8220;When students take their year-end assessment in __ states [not sure of the number here, but maybe 50?], they’ll see the same ___ calculator they’ve been using at school and at home the rest of the year. That assessment will more closely reflect what they know, rather than what they were able to express through unfamiliar ___ technology.&#8221; [I deleted the word &#8220;free&#8221; and &#8220;costly&#8221; &#8212; using TI calculators and using Desmos both have costs. The costs associated with laptops/Chromebooks and WiFi are not trivial for many of the schools I work with.]</p>
<p>My point is that many students already DO take these assessments with the technology that they have been using and learning with all year &#8212; both TI-84s and TI-Nspires &#8212; not a &#8220;foreign&#8221; piece of technology that they are having to learn &#8220;for the test.&#8221; One reason for this continued integration of TI technology may well be the full suite of mathematical options these devices bring to the math classroom. They provide a &#8220;one-stop shop&#8221; for so many different areas of mathematical and statistical inquiry &#8212; dynamic graphing, dynamic geometry, statistical analysis, programming, data collection, etc. &#8212; all in one device. This full suite of inquiry tools is one reason why these devices are so powerful and so useful at the classroom level &#8212; and since teachers and students are learning with these devices all year, it follows that they are an &#8220;aligned&#8221; tool for testing with, as well.</p>
<p>I think my big idea here is to suggest that many teachers / schools are not buying TI products solely (or mainly?) for &#8220;more test security and fewer distractions&#8221; &#8212; but because of the powerful role these tools play in supporting inquiry and learning in the mathematics classroom.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2017 13:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;span class=&quot;featuredtext&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Useful perspective from the classroom.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;featuredcomment&quot;&gt;Just stopping by to offer perspective from a school district that has successfully used Desmos Test Mode on state tests (and during classroom instruction and classroom assessments) for several years.  

We&#039;re a 1:1 iPad district, and our state tests are paper booklets.  With preparations from our ed-tech team, and collaborations with Eli and Team Desmos, we were able to pilot the Desmos Test Mode app three years ago on our Math 8 state test.  After a successful pilot, and revisions in the Texas Education Agency&#039;s graphing calculator policy permitting secure tablet graphing applications to also be used, we haven&#039;t turned back!  Both our Math 8 and Algebra 1 students now use Test Mode on state tests.  

We use software that &quot;locks down&quot; student iPads so that they stay securely in the Test Mode app.  They can&#039;t take a screenshot, they have no access to the internet, and the iPad camera is disabled.  There&#039;s no pressure on the teacher proctor to ensure that the iPads remain &quot;locked&quot; because the software we use takes care of that remotely for all students who are testing.  For those interested in the details, check out &lt;a href=&quot;https://hookedoninnovation.com/2015/04/20/using-an-ipad-as-a-calculator-on-a-state-assessment-dreams-do-come-true/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; by one of our tech directors, Carl Hooker.

What&#039;s interesting is that our revised state testing calculator policy ALSO permits students to use a handheld graphing calculator.  Our students know that they may use both the TI and Desmos Test Mode for state tests (and classroom-y assessments too - I should mention that teachers can also use that lock-the-iPad software in classrooms throughout the school year, or use Apple Classroom to manage student devices locally). Having access to BOTH devices during instruction, AND for assessments, to me, obligates me as a teacher to show students how to use both tools well.  Granted, once you show a crew of Algebra 1 kids how to do a regression on a TI first, and THEN you show &#039;em on Desmos... well, asking them to try it on TI ever again is a tough sell.  #2ndMEM7ALL2

My sample sizes every year are small, but after state testing, I give a three-question survey annually. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mathycathy.com/blog/2017/05/using-desmos-on-ipads-for-the-algebra-1-eoc-staar-test-take-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what my students are saying about using both a TI handheld and Desmos Test Mode for instruction and assessment&lt;/a&gt;.  For the record, student preferences for Math 8 and Algebra 1 don&#039;t align... yet.&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="featuredtext"><em>Useful perspective from the classroom.</em></span></p>
<div class="featuredcomment">Just stopping by to offer perspective from a school district that has successfully used Desmos Test Mode on state tests (and during classroom instruction and classroom assessments) for several years.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re a 1:1 iPad district, and our state tests are paper booklets.  With preparations from our ed-tech team, and collaborations with Eli and Team Desmos, we were able to pilot the Desmos Test Mode app three years ago on our Math 8 state test.  After a successful pilot, and revisions in the Texas Education Agency&#8217;s graphing calculator policy permitting secure tablet graphing applications to also be used, we haven&#8217;t turned back!  Both our Math 8 and Algebra 1 students now use Test Mode on state tests.  </p>
<p>We use software that &#8220;locks down&#8221; student iPads so that they stay securely in the Test Mode app.  They can&#8217;t take a screenshot, they have no access to the internet, and the iPad camera is disabled.  There&#8217;s no pressure on the teacher proctor to ensure that the iPads remain &#8220;locked&#8221; because the software we use takes care of that remotely for all students who are testing.  For those interested in the details, check out <a href="https://hookedoninnovation.com/2015/04/20/using-an-ipad-as-a-calculator-on-a-state-assessment-dreams-do-come-true/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> by one of our tech directors, Carl Hooker.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that our revised state testing calculator policy ALSO permits students to use a handheld graphing calculator.  Our students know that they may use both the TI and Desmos Test Mode for state tests (and classroom-y assessments too &#8211; I should mention that teachers can also use that lock-the-iPad software in classrooms throughout the school year, or use Apple Classroom to manage student devices locally). Having access to BOTH devices during instruction, AND for assessments, to me, obligates me as a teacher to show students how to use both tools well.  Granted, once you show a crew of Algebra 1 kids how to do a regression on a TI first, and THEN you show &#8217;em on Desmos&#8230; well, asking them to try it on TI ever again is a tough sell.  #2ndMEM7ALL2</p>
<p>My sample sizes every year are small, but after state testing, I give a three-question survey annually. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mathycathy.com/blog/2017/05/using-desmos-on-ipads-for-the-algebra-1-eoc-staar-test-take-2/" rel="nofollow">what my students are saying about using both a TI handheld and Desmos Test Mode for instruction and assessment</a>.  For the record, student preferences for Math 8 and Algebra 1 don&#8217;t align&#8230; yet.</div>
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