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		By: Rishabh Sharma		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan,

I&#039;ve been learning a lot about UDL in my graduate school coursework, but this is the first time I&#039;ve related UDL to non-content related needs. I usually associate it with making learning accessible in a classroom by appealing to different learning methods. However, your post made me realize that we may be subtly precluding a UDL environment by making labels improperly. By stating that a certain way of telling time is &#039;smart,&#039; you&#039;re implicitly stating that those who don&#039;t ascribe to that are not acting &#039;smart.&#039; This is also problematic because students from different cultures or backgrounds may not tell time that way. The worksheet should have instead asked students the various ways we can tell time. 

I wonder if there are other ways math teachers&#039; negative labels preclude a UDL environment. 

Best,

Rishabh Sharma]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been learning a lot about UDL in my graduate school coursework, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve related UDL to non-content related needs. I usually associate it with making learning accessible in a classroom by appealing to different learning methods. However, your post made me realize that we may be subtly precluding a UDL environment by making labels improperly. By stating that a certain way of telling time is &#8216;smart,&#8217; you&#8217;re implicitly stating that those who don&#8217;t ascribe to that are not acting &#8216;smart.&#8217; This is also problematic because students from different cultures or backgrounds may not tell time that way. The worksheet should have instead asked students the various ways we can tell time. </p>
<p>I wonder if there are other ways math teachers&#8217; negative labels preclude a UDL environment. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Rishabh Sharma</p>
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		By: Gina M.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2019 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452810&quot;&gt;Gina M.&lt;/a&gt;.

With apologies for the delayed reply (last week of term) ... These are a few examples, drawn from recent experience, of what I would consider to be a &quot;smart shortcut&quot;.
1. Understanding of place value : why count on for 43 if you can add four 10&#039;s and three 1&#039;s and be done with it?
2. Permutations and combinations : yes, when selecting (and/or ordering) items from different categories, you could write out an exhaustive list and then count the possibilities, but for large sets it becomes much more manageable if you recognise that you can get the answer with a bit of multiplication.
3. The Locker Problem : I always have a few kids who want to draw all the lockers and then keep a running record of what happens to each of them, but the answer never materialises until someone has spotted the squares pattern below 20 or 30 and then extrapolated. Of course, the question of &quot;why the squares?&quot; is the next (and arguably more important) step.
I&#039;m always careful to point out that brute force will solve the problem, you&#039;ll get a perfectly fine answer that way. But there are usually different ways of getting the answer, and I will often invite students to comment on which ways they like best and why - hoping they will identify the solution which is most succinct, requires less number-crunching, etc. I think this is what mathematical &quot;elegance&quot; is about, and I&#039;m not sure that I agree that it is culturally defined.
I wonder is it a question of WHY the problem needs solving? If you just want an answer, then anything will do. But if you&#039;re trying to get people to learn through problem-solving, then you want them to find the shortcut - in fact you&#039;ve probably engineered it so that they will prefer that shortcut, whether or not it&#039;s identified as &quot;smart&quot; or &quot;efficient&quot; or &quot;elegant&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452810">Gina M.</a>.</p>
<p>With apologies for the delayed reply (last week of term) &#8230; These are a few examples, drawn from recent experience, of what I would consider to be a &#8220;smart shortcut&#8221;.<br />
1. Understanding of place value : why count on for 43 if you can add four 10&#8217;s and three 1&#8217;s and be done with it?<br />
2. Permutations and combinations : yes, when selecting (and/or ordering) items from different categories, you could write out an exhaustive list and then count the possibilities, but for large sets it becomes much more manageable if you recognise that you can get the answer with a bit of multiplication.<br />
3. The Locker Problem : I always have a few kids who want to draw all the lockers and then keep a running record of what happens to each of them, but the answer never materialises until someone has spotted the squares pattern below 20 or 30 and then extrapolated. Of course, the question of &#8220;why the squares?&#8221; is the next (and arguably more important) step.<br />
I&#8217;m always careful to point out that brute force will solve the problem, you&#8217;ll get a perfectly fine answer that way. But there are usually different ways of getting the answer, and I will often invite students to comment on which ways they like best and why &#8211; hoping they will identify the solution which is most succinct, requires less number-crunching, etc. I think this is what mathematical &#8220;elegance&#8221; is about, and I&#8217;m not sure that I agree that it is culturally defined.<br />
I wonder is it a question of WHY the problem needs solving? If you just want an answer, then anything will do. But if you&#8217;re trying to get people to learn through problem-solving, then you want them to find the shortcut &#8211; in fact you&#8217;ve probably engineered it so that they will prefer that shortcut, whether or not it&#8217;s identified as &#8220;smart&#8221; or &#8220;efficient&#8221; or &#8220;elegant&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2453006&quot;&gt;Chester Draws&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a non-sequitur. Whatever global macroeconomic trends are true, it also true that some extremely credentialed mathematicians with degrees from elite universities invented the financial instruments and mathematical models that wiped 4% off the global GDP in 2008.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2453006">Chester Draws</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a non-sequitur. Whatever global macroeconomic trends are true, it also true that some extremely credentialed mathematicians with degrees from elite universities invented the financial instruments and mathematical models that wiped 4% off the global GDP in 2008.</p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 08:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;where our finest mathematical minds ruined the global economy&lt;/i&gt;

The average person lives better than ever before. And that includes the poor of the 3rd world. (On average -- I would hope that mathematicians understand that exceptions do not rule out an average being meaningful).

This is entirely unnecessary snark about mathematicians. It would unnecessary about politicians, come to that (although perhaps not entirely).

The idea that the world is getting worse, even as we live in increasing ease across the globe, appears to be inbuilt into people. That doesn&#039;t make it right though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>where our finest mathematical minds ruined the global economy</i></p>
<p>The average person lives better than ever before. And that includes the poor of the 3rd world. (On average &#8212; I would hope that mathematicians understand that exceptions do not rule out an average being meaningful).</p>
<p>This is entirely unnecessary snark about mathematicians. It would unnecessary about politicians, come to that (although perhaps not entirely).</p>
<p>The idea that the world is getting worse, even as we live in increasing ease across the globe, appears to be inbuilt into people. That doesn&#8217;t make it right though.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452822&quot;&gt;Garth&lt;/a&gt;.

Love it. Objectively, some solutions require fewer operations than others. I&#039;m thinking about solving a system by guessing-and-checking and by substitution or elimination.

I think I&#039;d still want to qualify the value I attach to that kind of efficiency / laziness though.

I&#039;d like students to use the most efficient solution &lt;em&gt;that also makes sense to them&lt;/em&gt; because the value of efficiency I don&#039;t understand is pretty limited.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452822">Garth</a>.</p>
<p>Love it. Objectively, some solutions require fewer operations than others. I&#8217;m thinking about solving a system by guessing-and-checking and by substitution or elimination.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d still want to qualify the value I attach to that kind of efficiency / laziness though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like students to use the most efficient solution <em>that also makes sense to them</em> because the value of efficiency I don&#8217;t understand is pretty limited.</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452821&quot;&gt;Leafar&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A quarter and a half of six&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452821">Leafar</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>A quarter and a half of six</p></blockquote>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452810&quot;&gt;Gina M.&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does “elegant” carry the same value judgement?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Definitions of elegance are culturally determined &lt;em&gt;outside&lt;/em&gt; of mathematics, so I imagine the same is true &lt;em&gt;inside&lt;/em&gt; of mathematics. Maybe you can help me with an example of a thing that does and doesn&#039;t &quot;take advantage of the underlying mathematical structure.&quot; There&#039;s something there that&#039;s important to you and it&#039;s worth figuring out how to communicate it to students without denigrating or elevating their culture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452810">Gina M.</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Does “elegant” carry the same value judgement?</p></blockquote>
<p>Definitions of elegance are culturally determined <em>outside</em> of mathematics, so I imagine the same is true <em>inside</em> of mathematics. Maybe you can help me with an example of a thing that does and doesn&#8217;t &#8220;take advantage of the underlying mathematical structure.&#8221; There&#8217;s something there that&#8217;s important to you and it&#8217;s worth figuring out how to communicate it to students without denigrating or elevating their culture.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452807&quot;&gt;Devyn Michael Walechka&lt;/a&gt;.

See the links in the post?]]></description>
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<p>See the links in the post?</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452799&quot;&gt;Laurie&lt;/a&gt;.

My background is secondary mathematics so I was surprised as any to see that telling time is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/3/MD/#CCSS.Math.Content.3.MD.A.1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a primary math standard&lt;/a&gt;!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/dont-teach-math-the-smart-way/#comment-2452799">Laurie</a>.</p>
<p>My background is secondary mathematics so I was surprised as any to see that telling time is <a href="http://www.corestandards.org/Math/Content/3/MD/#CCSS.Math.Content.3.MD.A.1" rel="nofollow">a primary math standard</a>!</p>
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		By: Sharing Diigo Links and Resources (weekly) &#124; Another EducatorAl Blog		</title>
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