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		By: Problem $olving &#8211; The Daily Nurture		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] lately I&#8217;ve been reading a lot of math teacher blog posts [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] lately I&#8217;ve been reading a lot of math teacher blog posts [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Celeste Bancos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celeste Bancos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2020 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love this! This morning I heard my three-year-old correct himself from &quot;she bringed me&quot; to &quot;she brang me.&quot; I didn&#039;t correct him in the moment but I found ways to use the word &quot;brought&quot; a few times in the conversation that followed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this! This morning I heard my three-year-old correct himself from &#8220;she bringed me&#8221; to &#8220;she brang me.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t correct him in the moment but I found ways to use the word &#8220;brought&#8221; a few times in the conversation that followed.</p>
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		By: James McMahon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James McMahon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2020 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I first saw the pictures of the pinecone and artichoke, I expected a lesson in the Fibonacci series. Perhaps in a few years when the children are older. It was still a good lesson.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first saw the pictures of the pinecone and artichoke, I expected a lesson in the Fibonacci series. Perhaps in a few years when the children are older. It was still a good lesson.</p>
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		By: The Playful Math Education Blog Carnival #136 &#8211; nebusresearch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Playful Math Education Blog Carnival #136 &#8211; nebusresearch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] again thank Iva Sallay for that link, as well as this essay. Dan Meyer&#8217;s But Artichokes Aren&#8217;t Pinecones: What Do You Do With Wrong Answers? looks at the problem of students giving wrong answers. There is no avoiding giving wrong answers. A [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] again thank Iva Sallay for that link, as well as this essay. Dan Meyer&#8217;s But Artichokes Aren&#8217;t Pinecones: What Do You Do With Wrong Answers? looks at the problem of students giving wrong answers. There is no avoiding giving wrong answers. A [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dan Meyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Love this move.

&lt;blockquote&gt;For instance, if it was in a primary class, like you say, a teacher might respond, ‘oh yes, these are really like pine cones! Have you seen this pattern on both of them when you look at them from above? {shows picture] What do you notice about that?…’&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this move.</p>
<blockquote><p>For instance, if it was in a primary class, like you say, a teacher might respond, ‘oh yes, these are really like pine cones! Have you seen this pattern on both of them when you look at them from above? {shows picture] What do you notice about that?…’</p></blockquote>
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		By: Simon Gregg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Gregg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thought-provoking post, Dan!

Is it also partly that as *teacher* of your students, you feel you have to *teach* something, whereas being a parent is more about sociability, passing the time in a nice way?  Most of us know that if our young kid says something wrong, it will be corrected without our intervention. Or even that if we start using our child&#039;s funny way of saying something because it&#039;s cute, they will, disappointingly, somehow learn the right way anyway!

Correction can be wrong not just because it impacts identity and ego, but because it isn&#039;t how we learn. We move on, we have new experiences that expand our previous knowledge; they don&#039;t always need to hit our areas of ignorance head-on. We as teachers try to bring about those new experiences. 

&lt;span class=&quot;featuredtext&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Featured Comment&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;featuredcomment&quot;&gt;For instance, if it was in a primary class, like you say, a teacher might respond, &#039;oh yes, these are really like pine cones! Have you seen this pattern on both of them when you look at them from above? {shows picture] What do you notice about that?...&#039;&lt;/div&gt;

I sometimes think about this story of the eastern joke-character Nasrudin in this context:

Two men were quarrelling outside Nasrudin’s window at dead of night. Nasrudin got up, wrapped his only blanket around himself, and ran out to try to stop the noise. When he tried to reason with the drunks, one snatched his blanket and both ran away.
‘What were they arguing about?’ asked his wife when he went in. 
‘It must have been the blanket. When they got that, the fight broke up.’]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought-provoking post, Dan!</p>
<p>Is it also partly that as *teacher* of your students, you feel you have to *teach* something, whereas being a parent is more about sociability, passing the time in a nice way?  Most of us know that if our young kid says something wrong, it will be corrected without our intervention. Or even that if we start using our child&#8217;s funny way of saying something because it&#8217;s cute, they will, disappointingly, somehow learn the right way anyway!</p>
<p>Correction can be wrong not just because it impacts identity and ego, but because it isn&#8217;t how we learn. We move on, we have new experiences that expand our previous knowledge; they don&#8217;t always need to hit our areas of ignorance head-on. We as teachers try to bring about those new experiences. </p>
<p><span class="featuredtext"><em>Featured Comment</em></span></p>
<div class="featuredcomment">For instance, if it was in a primary class, like you say, a teacher might respond, &#8216;oh yes, these are really like pine cones! Have you seen this pattern on both of them when you look at them from above? {shows picture] What do you notice about that?&#8230;&#8217;</div>
<p>I sometimes think about this story of the eastern joke-character Nasrudin in this context:</p>
<p>Two men were quarrelling outside Nasrudin’s window at dead of night. Nasrudin got up, wrapped his only blanket around himself, and ran out to try to stop the noise. When he tried to reason with the drunks, one snatched his blanket and both ran away.<br />
‘What were they arguing about?’ asked his wife when he went in.<br />
‘It must have been the blanket. When they got that, the fight broke up.’</p>
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		By: Making Meaning with Arrays: More Preschooler Division &#8211; Embrace the Challenge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 03:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] own children. Of course, I wonder about the classroom implications. (Read: Dan Meyer&#8217;s &#8220;But Artichokes Aren&#8217;t Pinecones: What Do We Do With Wrong Answers?&#8221; from March 10, 2020.) How will this affect how I teach &#8212; whether it&#8217;s distance [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] own children. Of course, I wonder about the classroom implications. (Read: Dan Meyer&#8217;s &#8220;But Artichokes Aren&#8217;t Pinecones: What Do We Do With Wrong Answers?&#8221; from March 10, 2020.) How will this affect how I teach &#8212; whether it&#8217;s distance [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Sharing Diigo Links and Resources (weekly) &#124; Another EducatorAl Blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] But Artichokes Aren’t Pinecones: What Do You Do With Wrong Answers? — dy/dan [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2020/but-artichokes-arent-pinecones-what-do-you-do-with-wrong-answers/#comment-2460245&quot;&gt;thaslam&lt;/a&gt;.

What a lovely thought. Except that Maths &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; about answers. 

To a problem there might be a number of correct answers, a range of answers, an uncertainty about the answers or even no correct answer at all. But without answers, Maths is useless. We might as well be teaching interpretive dance if we are going to go down the road that &quot;math is about thought&quot;. Let&#039;s at least keep one subject that is not subject to relativism and subjectivity. 

Dan article discusses how we might steer a misconception into a correct understanding. So that we can get correct answers.

My concern is that asking “How are you thinking about this question right now?” can actually be a lot &lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt; stressful to kids than merely correcting them -- depending on the kid in question. 

A lot of my students know enough that when I am probing them as to their thinking that they must have made a mistake -- and so they clam up. They find the process of having their failings displayed at length to the rest of the class much more stressful than merely being wrong. So I never go that route with anxious ones, whereas I am prepared to do it with the bold and brash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2020/but-artichokes-arent-pinecones-what-do-you-do-with-wrong-answers/#comment-2460245">thaslam</a>.</p>
<p>What a lovely thought. Except that Maths <b>is</b> about answers. </p>
<p>To a problem there might be a number of correct answers, a range of answers, an uncertainty about the answers or even no correct answer at all. But without answers, Maths is useless. We might as well be teaching interpretive dance if we are going to go down the road that &#8220;math is about thought&#8221;. Let&#8217;s at least keep one subject that is not subject to relativism and subjectivity. </p>
<p>Dan article discusses how we might steer a misconception into a correct understanding. So that we can get correct answers.</p>
<p>My concern is that asking “How are you thinking about this question right now?” can actually be a lot <b>more</b> stressful to kids than merely correcting them &#8212; depending on the kid in question. </p>
<p>A lot of my students know enough that when I am probing them as to their thinking that they must have made a mistake &#8212; and so they clam up. They find the process of having their failings displayed at length to the rest of the class much more stressful than merely being wrong. So I never go that route with anxious ones, whereas I am prepared to do it with the bold and brash.</p>
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		By: thaslam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agreed!  The strong focus on the correctness of answers is what has lead to the unhealthy attitude that general public has towards math.  They figure, &quot;I&#039;m always wrong, therefore I am not good at math.&quot;  Their conclussion, however, is based on the false premise that *math is about answers* when actually *math is about thought*.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed!  The strong focus on the correctness of answers is what has lead to the unhealthy attitude that general public has towards math.  They figure, &#8220;I&#8217;m always wrong, therefore I am not good at math.&#8221;  Their conclussion, however, is based on the false premise that *math is about answers* when actually *math is about thought*.</p>
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