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		<title>But Artichokes Aren&#8217;t Pinecones: What Do You Do With Wrong Answers?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have very small children which means my life is measured by little games and distractions stretched across the day. &#8220;What&#8217;s that called?&#8221; is one of those games. Point at a thing and ask for its name. Do that for another thing. Hey —Â it&#8217;s almost nap time! So recently we<div class="post-permalink">
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have very small children which means my life is measured by little games and distractions stretched across the day. &#8220;What&#8217;s that called?&#8221; is one of those games. Point at a thing and ask for its name. Do that for another thing. Hey —Â it&#8217;s almost nap time!</p>
<p>So recently we pointed at an artichoke. &#8220;What&#8217;s that called?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pinecone,&#8221; one of the kids says.</p>
<p><a href="/wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1.png"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="/wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1-1024x576.png" alt="a drawing of a pinecone and an artichoke" width="680" height="383" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-31304" srcset="/wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1-1024x576.png 1024w, /wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1-300x169.png 300w, /wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1-768x432.png 768w, /wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1-1536x864.png 1536w, /wp-content/uploads/190310_1-1.png 1920w" sizes="(max-width: 680px) 100vw, 680px" /></a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a factually incorrect answer, which is the same as lots of student answers in math class. But when my kid calls a pinecone an artichoke, I have a very different emotional, physical, and pedagogical response than when a <em>student</em> says something factually incorrect in <em>math class</em>. </p>
<p>With my kid, I am <em>fine</em> with the error. Delighted, even. I am quick to point out all the ways that answer is <em>correct</em>. &#8220;Oh! I see why you&#8217;d say that. They both have the kind of leafy-looking things. They both have the same-ish shape.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it easy to build connections from their answer to the correct answer. &#8220;But an artichoke is greener, larger, and softer. People often eat it and people don&#8217;t often eat pinecones.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, if I&#8217;m teaching a <em>math</em> lesson and a student answers a question about <em>math</em> incorrectly, my reflex is to become &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; evaluative &#8230; &#8220;What did I just hear? Is it right or wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; anxious &#8230; &#8220;Oh no it&#8217;s wrong. What do I do now?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; corrective &#8230; &#8220;How do I fix this answer and this student?&#8221;</p>
<p>I find it much harder to celebrate and build from a student&#8217;s incorrect answer in math class than I do an incorrect answer from my kids about artichokes. The net result is that my kids feel valued in ways that the students don&#8217;t and my kids have a more productive learning experience than the students.</p>
<p>I can give lots of reasons for my different responses but I&#8217;m not sure any of them are any good.</p>
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<li><strong>This is my kid</strong> so I feel warmer towards his early ideas than I do towards ideas from kids I see for only a small part of the day.</li>
<li><strong>This kid <em>looks</em> like me</strong> so I&#8217;m more inclined to think of him as smart and brilliant and wonderful than I am a student with a different race, ethnicity, or gender.</li>
<li><strong>The stakes are smaller.</strong> What&#8217;s the worst consequence of my kid referring to an artichoke as a pinecone? That he doesn&#8217;t get invited back to the Governor&#8217;s Ball? Who cares. This will work out. I&#8217;m not preparing him for an end-of-course exam in thistle-looking stuff.</li>
<li><strong>I know the content better</strong>. I can build conceptually from a pinecone to an artichoke much more easily than I can build from early math ideas to mature math ideas.</li>
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<p>But I find that every aspect of my professional and personal life improves when I try to neutralize those excuses.</p>
<ul>
<li>I am a member of faith and educator communities that help me <strong>dissolve my conviction that <em>my</em> kid is more valuable or special than <em>your</em> kid</strong>, communities that help me dissolve my sense of separateness from you. We are not separate.</li>
<li>I am working with <a href="http://www.desmos.com/">a team</a> to <strong>develop experiences in math class that lead to student answers that are <em>really</em> hard to call right or wrong</strong>, or ones that at least lead to lots of <em>interesting</em> ways to be right or wrong. I am learning that it&#8217;s more helpful to ask a question like, &#8220;How are you <em>thinking</em> about this question right now?&#8221; than &#8220;What is your <em>answer</em> to this question?&#8221; because the first question has no wrong answer.</li>
<li>I am trying to <strong>develop pedagogical tools</strong> that <em>make use of</em> differences between student answers to replace ones that try to reconcile or flatten them. Tools like &#8220;How are these answers the same and different?&#8221; or &#8220;For what question would this answer be correct?&#8221;
<li>I am trying to <strong>learn more math more deeply</strong> so I can make connections between a student&#8217;s early ideas and the later ones they might develop.</li>
</ul>
<p>I am thinking about <a href="https://www.nctm.org/Publications/Mathematics-Teacher/2015/Vol109/Issue4/mt2015-11-270a/">this idea from Rochelle Gutierrez</a> more often:</p>
<blockquote><p>All teaching is identity work, regardless of whether we think about it in that way. We are constantly contributing to the identities that students construct for themselves &#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>Whether my kid calls an artichoke a pinecone or a student offers an early idea about multiplication, they&#8217;re offering something of <em>themselves</em> just as much as they&#8217;re offering a fact or a claim. My goal is to celebrate those early ideas and build from them so that students will learn better math, but also so they&#8217;ll learn better about <em>themselves</em>.</p>
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<p>Several people mention that we have more time to enjoy our kids and their thinking than we do students in math class.</p>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" align="center" data-width="550" data-lang="en" data-dnt="true" data-partner="jetpack"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have so much more curiosity when my kid says something incorrect. I find it so fascinating that she decided to say that 1 + 9 = 30. Why?!?<br><br>I get so much more 1:1 time with her than with students in my classroom. I feel that spaciousness in a deep way.</p>&mdash; Bree Pickford-Murray (@btwnthenumbers) <a href="https://twitter.com/btwnthenumbers/status/1237494948447932416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" align="center" data-width="550" data-lang="en" data-dnt="true" data-partner="jetpack"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is sort of alluded to in your already listed reasons, but maybe(?) another reason: You may feel as if you have more time to engage with the thinking of someone who [hopefully] will be in contact with you for the rest of your life. With students, time can feel [is?] shorter.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Dickman (@benjamindickman) <a href="https://twitter.com/benjamindickman/status/1237494018247995392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
<p><strong>2020 Jun 13</strong>. Other examples of early ideas about language from around my home.</p>
<ul>
<li>&#8220;Getting tangled out&#8221; a/k/a &#8220;getting untangled.&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;Yesterday&#8221; as a placeholder word for <em>any</em> time in the past.</li>
<li>&#8220;Foots&#8221; and &#8220;Gooses&#8221; as the plural for &#8220;Feet&#8221; and &#8220;Geese&#8221;.</li>
<li>Them: What do cows eat? Me: Hay, I think. Them: No, <em>horses</em> eat hay.</li>
<li>6 looks a lot like a lowercase &#8220;g&#8221;.</li>
<li>&#8220;After&#8221; is any time in the future. Me [beleaguered]: &#8220;We&#8217;ll do that later, kids.&#8221; Kids [combative]: &#8220;AFTER!&#8221;</li>
<li>&#8220;More taller&#8221; is coming up a lot.</li>
<li>These kids think that as they get older, they&#8217;ll get bigger and I&#8217;ll get smaller and turn into a baby.</li>
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